A.D. 1178. TH E HERETICS' DEFENCE. connect tv/o words, being utterly ignorant of the Latin language. Upon this, it was necessary for the cardinal and the bishops to bring themselves more on a level with them, and, in consequence of their ignorance, to use the vulgar tongue. Accordingly, on being examined as to the articles of the Christian faith, they made answer as to all the articles of the faith as soundly and as circumspectly as if they had been most sincere Christians. Upon the count of Toulouse and others, who had formerly heard them preach what wras contrary to the Christian faith, hearing this statement from them, being struck with the greatest astonishment and inflamed with zeal for the Christian faith, they arose and most clearly convicted them to their faces of having lied ; saying that they had heard from some of them that there were two Gods, the one good, and the other bad, the good one having made only things invisible, and which cannot be changed or corrupted, the bad one the heavens, the earth, man and the other things visible. Others again affirmed that they had heard at their preaching, that the body of Christ was not made by the ministration of a priest who was unworthy, or who had been convicted of any crime. Others also stated that they had heard them say, in their preaching, that a man and his wife could not bo saved if the conjugal debt was satisfied. Others again said that they had heard from them that baptism was of no use to infants, and the utterance of numerous other blasphemies against God and the holy Church and the Catholic faith, which, by reason of their abominable enormity, it is better to be silent upon than to disclose. The heretics, however, contradicted these matters, and said that they had given false testimony against them. Por they • said publicly, in presence of the before-named cardinal and bishops, and all the people there present, and made confession, and stoutly asserted, that there is but one God most high, who has made all things visible and invisible, and entirely denied that there were two first principles of things. They also confessed that the priest, whether good or bad, whether just or unjust, and whether such a character that they knew him beyond doubt to be an adulterer or criminal in other respects, was able to make the body and blood of Christ, and that, through the ministration of a priest of this character, and by virtue of the Divine words which were pro